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Home / Articles / News / Campus NEWS /  Students vs. cops: Can’t we all just get along?
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Monday, October 18,2010

Students vs. cops: Can’t we all just get along?

By David DeWitt
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Photo Credits: Rachel S. O'Hara
Photo Caption: Palmer Fest last May, when street fires drew an aggressive police response, escalated tensions between students and local police. In this file photo from Falmer Fest, mounted officers ride past one of the numerous house parties during the block party.
Although the two fall fests that have taken place so far this school year remained relatively uneventful, tensions between the Athens Police Department and Ohio University students have been palpable with numerous reports of antagonistic behavior on both sides.

City officials attributed the lack of arrests at Oaktoberfest and Falmer Fest two weekends ago to successful off-campus outreach efforts this year. However, reports of confrontations between police officers and students have also been coming in.

At a party on Stewart Street Oct. 9, some of those in attendance reported that mounted police officers pinned one or more partygoers against trees with their horses, riding the horses through the party, flipping over and breaking tables, taking a tap from the keg, and using profanity while making threats to gas the crowd. Outside of that incident, others have reported being bucked and pinned by the horses of mounted police officers.

On the other side, groups of students have reportedly broken out into profane anti-police chants, as well as other antagonistic behavior. Though the tensions have yet to exacerbate into bottle-throwing or street fires, matters did escalate to that point last spring during Palmer Fest and other block parties.

Athens Mayor Paul Wiehl said Wednesday that he has heard and read about these incidents. His understanding of the incident on Stewart Street, he added, was that officers could not find any residents who would take responsibility for the party.

"When nobody took responsibility for having the party, then that's a de facto reason to close the party down," he said.

Wiehl pointed out that the two planned parties went fairly well, considering last spring's parties on the same streets - Oak and Palmer- were both marked by confrontations between students and officers as well as fires in the streets.

"What that tells me is that the (Stewart Street) party was not planned; there was nobody responsible; and it obviously did not go as well," he said.

Wiehl said up to the point where fires are started in the streets, the APD is generally laid-back.

"When you start setting fires and start doing something that is obviously illegal or dangerous, at that point we make decisions that we have to stop it," he said. "The more proactive, or aggressive stance, is that we have to step up."

He said police officers may be more confrontational, but it's because they have to get ahead of the curve to prevent any major disturbances. He advised students to disperse when officers ask them to do so.

"To try to explain individually to each person why they have to clear the street takes time," the mayor said. "Some of them might be more impaired than others. To do an explanation for each one is not legitimate. If an officer tells you to break up a party and leave, he shouldn't have to explain it to each of the 150 people there."

When talking to officers, Wiehl said, if a citizen minds his or her manners that individual usually gets the same back. With regard to the overall atmosphere between students and police in Athens, Wiehl said he doesn't want to see it deteriorate into confrontation and mutual disrespect.

"My mindset of what the police and community should be doing (is) having an ongoing dialogue, and we should be considerate of each other," he said. "The things that get away from that is occasionally there is alcohol involved, and occasionally there's the idea that you should be confronting 'the man.'"

Wiehl said that all the parties involved are residents of the city, whether short-term or long-term, and he'd rather keep the relationship non-confrontational.

BRAD EVANS, OFF-CAMPUS LIFE commissioner for OU Student Senate, said Wednesday that he's pleased with the results of outreach efforts on Oak Street and Palmer Street in anticipation of the fall parties.

With regard to Stewart Street, he suggested that students may embellish the story a bit.

"I don't know if part of it was true, or all of it was true, but I was taken aback after reading about some of the behavior of Athens Police," he said. "If that's true, then maybe some people of Student Senate and some community members need to sit down with the APD again and see if there's an issue."

Evans said that Student Senate already held talks with the APD earlier this school year to talk about the marked increased in noise citations and other issues.

"I definitely think more dialogue (is needed)," he said. "If students' only interaction with police is a negative one, then they're not going to be speaking highly of police and they're not going to know how difficult it can be for them to do their job."

If students are writing to newspapers, he said, that shows an effort to have more dialogue, and that effort needs to be matched by the Police Department.

Athens Police Chief Richard Mayer said Friday that he thinks the department's efforts to get the word out about its crackdown on noise have been successful.

"I've seen letters from long-term residents saying that they're pleased at the way things are calming down at night when they're trying to get rest," he said.

With regard to what officers are reporting about confrontations and antagonism from students, Mayer said any time an officer has to take enforcement action against someone, that person has the potential to react badly.

"That person is not going to be pleased," he said. "That's part of the work we do."

As for what advice he would give, he suggested that it's important for residents of a house hosting a party to come forward.

"A lot of times, no residents want to present themselves because they're worried they're going to get a ticket or something like that," he said. "And then officers just have to clear everybody out."

Mayer was also asked about incidents where just one resident of a given household has been given a citation for a violation because that person answered the door, while the other housemates remain unaccountable.

"Normally we cite one or more of the residents at the house," he said. "If one citation works, why go and cite everybody? The next time it might be somebody else at the house. Normally it's just one citation per house and whatever resident is there gets the citation."

 

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THANK YOU APD !!

 

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Any unhappy "party goer" is going to be upset that their little party was shut down and make "accusations" about Police misconduct. I think Mayor Wiehl and his staff...City Council, APD are doing an excellent job at keeping our neighborhoods quiet. This has seemed to be effective in my opinion.  I agree with "Hilton" above,,,Thank You APD!! Keep up the good work, we are behind you!!

 

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While I as a junior here have experienced alot of police interaction around off campus parties and its usually pretty amicable, I have also witnessed and dealt with highly inappropriate behavior on the part of the APD this year. Street parties with dozens of kegs don't even have a right to be gassed, let alone a HOUSE PARTY that couldn't have had more than 100 to 150 people at it is no reason to threaten to gas anyone. The cops on horses will go out of their way to make contact with students knowing that they're drunk and honestly powerless physically to the horse. I myself was trying to leave the party on stewart which WAS planned and sponsored by Hungry Howie's when I was violently knocked over by one of the horse cops, who then made a rude comment saying I was "too drunk to even stand up". Uhm yeah maybe I can't stand up when you knock over a 5 ft tall 110 lb girl with a thousand pound animal. I felt violated and disturbed by this action especially since I hadn't said a single word to the officers and was simply trying to leave the party to head uptown to the bars instead. This was unnecessary and NOONE was threatening the officers whatsoever. I feel that this new noise ordinance has given the officers even more power over students than they already have and they've gladly taken to abusing it more than ever. UNITE FOR STUDENT RIGHTS.

 

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I'm sorry you (probably) underaged student that was probably so intoxicated that you did not see the 1200lb. Police Horse and did not get to party for as long as you wanted. The APD Officers needs to focus on more important things than out of control parties, fires in the streets, fighting, underaged drinking,,,,etc. I believe the APD Officers are very professional and polite. And your last sentence "Unite for Student Rights" is probably the last thing that I would want published where everyone can read. The Police will just crack down on you more for those types of comments!

 

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I'm actually 22 and had only had 2 beers that night and i was well aware of the horses, its why I was trying to leave. The police shouldn't be cracking down more, they should be aware that there are people monitoring their uncalled for an wholly inappropriate behavior. 

 

 

 
 
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